Jumpin' Jack / Danny

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

No, I haven't seen him around. I think you're the only one with his
email addie... :)

Hope he's okay too

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

JumpinJack

2009-07-30 02:56:55 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.

Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)

I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.

I spend a lot more time with my family now.

Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.

I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.

Danny...

--
JJ...
Fort Bragg, NC

"When bad men combine, the good must associate;
else they will fall one by one, an unpitied
sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
(Edmund Burke-1770)

Jett K

2009-07-30 17:04:32 UTC

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:56:55 GMT, JumpinJack

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Greetings right back to you, Danny. I'll be thinking about you and
wishing you the best on your upcoming hospital stay. I hope you get
treated well and that you are happier/better after your stay.

--Jett

Evolution

2009-07-31 01:58:47 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.

As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)

I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!

I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

2009-07-31 13:01:00 UTC

Post by Evolution

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

And I think Congress needs to implement term limits. No need for
these people to be "lifers" just because they can manipulate their
constituents to vote for them each term. I don't know if they get
healthcare for life, after they leave, but they should drop that too.
If I leave my company to go somewhere else, I don't get to keep my
healthcare from the old company. I think you should serve your state
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

--CT

Evolution

2009-07-31 17:37:52 UTC

Post by Evolution

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

There are a lot of lies being told about this public option plan.
Medicare does cost money, sure, but there have never been people told
they couldn't have care because of their age or condition. Unlike
Medicare, however, this public option will charge money, just like
insurance companies do, without adding the huge profit layer. For those
who can't afford to pay, it will cost money. The plan WILL be paid for,
however; it won't add to the deficit.

I'd like you to give some examples of fraud and misuse in the
Congressional plan (which this will be an extension of). Are the
senators defrauding the government? Is the govt defrauding the
senators? If so, why don't those republican senators get off the public
plan and get private insurance?

Post by CT
And I think Congress needs to implement term limits. No need for
these people to be "lifers" just because they can manipulate their
constituents to vote for them each term. I don't know if they get
healthcare for life, after they leave, but they should drop that too.
If I leave my company to go somewhere else, I don't get to keep my
healthcare from the old company.

Well, that is one of the reforms this health plan is trying to make, so
that you CAN take your health insurance with you, and so that insurance
companies can't deny you for pre-existing conditions.

I think you should serve your state

Post by CT
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

Just like with any other job, experience counts. I think term limits is
a very bad idea. You'd have a worse problem with lobbyists, as they
would more easily move from lobbyist to congressperson back to lobbyist.
It would also cost a whole lot more money to run elections (than if
the congressman is already known), and that money WILL come from lobbyists.

We have term limits in California, and look what a mess that made...

The only way to stop lobbyist influence is to ban political TV
commercials. These are misleading, and very, very costly, taking up
over 90% of a campaign's budget. You take the need for money out of an
election, and you take the lobbyists out of the equation. This works
well in the UK, where all TV stations have to give a certain amount of
quality TV time to each candidate for free during an election, such as
debates.

Post by CT
--CT

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

2009-07-31 18:41:53 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

There are a lot of lies being told about this public option plan.
Medicare does cost money, sure, but there have never been people told
they couldn't have care because of their age or condition. Unlike
Medicare, however, this public option will charge money, just like
insurance companies do, without adding the huge profit layer. For those
who can't afford to pay, it will cost money. The plan WILL be paid for,
however; it won't add to the deficit.
I'd like you to give some examples of fraud and misuse in the
Congressional plan (which this will be an extension of). Are the
senators defrauding the government? Is the govt defrauding the
senators? If so, why don't those republican senators get off the public
plan and get private insurance?

Post by CT
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

Just like with any other job, experience counts. I think term limits is
a very bad idea. You'd have a worse problem with lobbyists, as they
would more easily move from lobbyist to congressperson back to lobbyist.
It would also cost a whole lot more money to run elections (than if
the congressman is already known), and that money WILL come from lobbyists.
We have term limits in California, and look what a mess that made...
The only way to stop lobbyist influence is to ban political TV
commercials. These are misleading, and very, very costly, taking up
over 90% of a campaign's budget. You take the need for money out of an
election, and you take the lobbyists out of the equation. This works
well in the UK, where all TV stations have to give a certain amount of
quality TV time to each candidate for free during an election, such as
debates.

Post by CT
--CT

--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

I was talking about misuse and fraud in medicaid. Families abusing
the system. I'm not saying everyone on medicaid is defrauding the
government, but just like with food stamps, people aren't being
entirely honest.

I agree with banning (or limiting) the tv ads. on the state website
that the elections are taking place give each candidate a section to
post their views. Then give them each airtime in the form of debates
and let the people decide instead of being urged one way or the other.

I think term limits are still a good idea, and still allows
experienced politicians to serve in a meaningful manner. If someone
worked up from local government to state legislature to Congress,
that's plenty of time to get your feet wet. I don't think the
founding fathers had that in mind when framing the government, but I
could be wrong. I also think term limits should be imposed on supreme
court justices as well. Maybe a 15-20 year limit. The United States
governement is such a powerful entity in shaping the country, that
people shouldn't be in too long to taint the system.

--CT (Chris)
I think California has more to its problems than just term limits :)

Evolution

2009-08-01 17:07:50 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

There are a lot of lies being told about this public option plan.
Medicare does cost money, sure, but there have never been people told
they couldn't have care because of their age or condition. Unlike
Medicare, however, this public option will charge money, just like
insurance companies do, without adding the huge profit layer. For those
who can't afford to pay, it will cost money. The plan WILL be paid for,
however; it won't add to the deficit.
I'd like you to give some examples of fraud and misuse in the
Congressional plan (which this will be an extension of). Are the
senators defrauding the government? Is the govt defrauding the
senators? If so, why don't those republican senators get off the public
plan and get private insurance?

Post by CT
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

Just like with any other job, experience counts. I think term limits is
a very bad idea. You'd have a worse problem with lobbyists, as they
would more easily move from lobbyist to congressperson back to lobbyist.
It would also cost a whole lot more money to run elections (than if
the congressman is already known), and that money WILL come from lobbyists.
We have term limits in California, and look what a mess that made...
The only way to stop lobbyist influence is to ban political TV
commercials. These are misleading, and very, very costly, taking up
over 90% of a campaign's budget. You take the need for money out of an
election, and you take the lobbyists out of the equation. This works
well in the UK, where all TV stations have to give a certain amount of
quality TV time to each candidate for free during an election, such as
debates.

Post by CT
--CT

--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

How are people defrauding medicaid? Lying about their age?

Post by CT
I agree with banning (or limiting) the tv ads. on the state website
that the elections are taking place give each candidate a section to
post their views. Then give them each airtime in the form of debates
and let the people decide instead of being urged one way or the other.
I think term limits are still a good idea, and still allows
experienced politicians to serve in a meaningful manner. If someone
worked up from local government to state legislature to Congress,
that's plenty of time to get your feet wet. I don't think the
founding fathers had that in mind when framing the government, but I
could be wrong.

You didn't address the problems I said you'd have with term limits, with
corporations being able to more easily put their guy in there. The
problem would get worse as far as corporate ownership.

I also think term limits should be imposed on supreme

Post by CT
court justices as well. Maybe a 15-20 year limit. The United States
governement is such a powerful entity in shaping the country, that
people shouldn't be in too long to taint the system.
--CT (Chris)
I think California has more to its problems than just term limits :)

Sure, they have a governor who thinks that only poor people should
suffer in a recession, and that rich people shouldn't share in the hurt
in the form of higher taxes. He would rather wreck our schools than
raise taxes on the rich, who can afford to pay a little more.

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

2009-08-03 14:50:53 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

There are a lot of lies being told about this public option plan.
Medicare does cost money, sure, but there have never been people told
they couldn't have care because of their age or condition. Unlike
Medicare, however, this public option will charge money, just like
insurance companies do, without adding the huge profit layer. For those
who can't afford to pay, it will cost money. The plan WILL be paid for,
however; it won't add to the deficit.
I'd like you to give some examples of fraud and misuse in the
Congressional plan (which this will be an extension of). Are the
senators defrauding the government? Is the govt defrauding the
senators? If so, why don't those republican senators get off the public
plan and get private insurance?

Post by CT
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

Just like with any other job, experience counts. I think term limits is
a very bad idea. You'd have a worse problem with lobbyists, as they
would more easily move from lobbyist to congressperson back to lobbyist.
It would also cost a whole lot more money to run elections (than if
the congressman is already known), and that money WILL come from lobbyists.
We have term limits in California, and look what a mess that made...
The only way to stop lobbyist influence is to ban political TV
commercials. These are misleading, and very, very costly, taking up
over 90% of a campaign's budget. You take the need for money out of an
election, and you take the lobbyists out of the equation. This works
well in the UK, where all TV stations have to give a certain amount of
quality TV time to each candidate for free during an election, such as
debates.

Post by CT
--CT

--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

How are people defrauding medicaid? Lying about their age?

I agree with banning (or limiting) the tv ads. on the state website
that the elections are taking place give each candidate a section to
post their views. Then give them each airtime in the form of debates
and let the people decide instead of being urged one way or the other.
I think term limits are still a good idea, and still allows
experienced politicians to serve in a meaningful manner. If someone
worked up from local government to state legislature to Congress,
that's plenty of time to get your feet wet. I don't think the
founding fathers had that in mind when framing the government, but I
could be wrong.

You didn't address the problems I said you'd have with term limits, with
corporations being able to more easily put their guy in there. The
problem would get worse as far as corporate ownership.

I don't see how it's any different now. Limiting terms would still
allow people with interests in politicking to still make their mark in
government. The people still have to vote them in. You're worried
about lobbyists that work for or used to work for big corps getting in
and making laws. Who's in their now? Nothing but doctors and
lawyers. And that's going over really well.

I also think term limits should be imposed on supreme

court justices as well. Maybe a 15-20 year limit. The United States
governement is such a powerful entity in shaping the country, that
people shouldn't be in too long to taint the system.
--CT (Chris)
I think California has more to its problems than just term limits :)

Well, you guys did vote an action star into the governor's
mansion. :) I don't recall, but did he have any other political
experiences prior to his run for governor?

--CT

Evolution

2009-08-03 21:34:28 UTC

Post by Shaun
Hey all,
Anyone heard from Danny or have any news of him? I e-mailed him about
a week ago, have heard nothing. Am hoping he's okay.
Shaun

Shaun, check your e-mail. Thanks for lookin' out my friend. I am not
well. I sometimes go a month without checking my e-mail. I will be
back in the hospital from 4 Aug 'til God knows when.
Regards To Laurie for at least wondering about me. I still read this
group every now and then but it became too hard and too time consuming
to engage in uuuhhh.. debates. Yea, that's the ticket! "Debates" :)
I notice all political "debate" has ceased since the new administration
has taken over. I take it that everyone is satisfied with the way
Obama is running things. I'm jus' sayin'. No debating will be forthcoming.
I spend a lot more time with my family now.
Greetings and good wishes to Jett, Joemono and everyone else, friend
or foe.
I wonder how Justin is getting along. He stopped posting soon after
he started riding motorcycles. Worried the crap out of me since he
was always crashing or having death defying close calls. If anyone
is in touch with him, please give him my regards.
Danny...

Good to hear from you Danny.
As for the debates, there is still plenty to debate, but I do that over
at rec.music.artists.springsteen, because there are plenty of
intelligent people over there with different views. Here, on the
opposite point of view, there was only you worth talking to, and a bunch
of morons... :)
I have spoken with Justin recently, although not for quite a long time
before this. He's married now!
I don't want to take time from your family, but was wondering what you
think of the plans to regulate the insurance industry and having a
public option. All those republican senators who denigrate a government
run health care plan seem to be doing just fine on one themselves. I
don't see any of them shopping around for a private plan because of
their convictions, the phonies! And you of course, are on a government
run plan with your veteran care, and Medicare too is government run. I
don't see any seniors complaining about Medicare.
--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Well, for the government run health cares, aren't they running out of
money, and cost a lot. They are also open to fraud and misuse. I
think they need to think this through more.

There are a lot of lies being told about this public option plan.
Medicare does cost money, sure, but there have never been people told
they couldn't have care because of their age or condition. Unlike
Medicare, however, this public option will charge money, just like
insurance companies do, without adding the huge profit layer. For those
who can't afford to pay, it will cost money. The plan WILL be paid for,
however; it won't add to the deficit.
I'd like you to give some examples of fraud and misuse in the
Congressional plan (which this will be an extension of). Are the
senators defrauding the government? Is the govt defrauding the
senators? If so, why don't those republican senators get off the public
plan and get private insurance?

Post by CT
in 2 terms, and move on and go back to your private life again. You
need fresh blood and the longer you are in Congress, the more you can
become buddy buddy with lobbyists.

Just like with any other job, experience counts. I think term limits is
a very bad idea. You'd have a worse problem with lobbyists, as they
would more easily move from lobbyist to congressperson back to lobbyist.
It would also cost a whole lot more money to run elections (than if
the congressman is already known), and that money WILL come from lobbyists.
We have term limits in California, and look what a mess that made...
The only way to stop lobbyist influence is to ban political TV
commercials. These are misleading, and very, very costly, taking up
over 90% of a campaign's budget. You take the need for money out of an
election, and you take the lobbyists out of the equation. This works
well in the UK, where all TV stations have to give a certain amount of
quality TV time to each candidate for free during an election, such as
debates.

Post by CT
--CT

--
Laurie
http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

How are people defrauding medicaid? Lying about their age?

You didn't address the problems I said you'd have with term limits, with
corporations being able to more easily put their guy in there. The
problem would get worse as far as corporate ownership.

I don't see how it's any different now.

It's different because new candidates don't have name recognition and
have to spend more money to get elected. The incumbents don't have to
spend as much money. The more money they have to spend, the more money
they have to take from lobbyists.

Limiting terms would still

Post by CT
allow people with interests in politicking to still make their mark in
government. The people still have to vote them in. You're worried
about lobbyists that work for or used to work for big corps getting in
and making laws. Who's in their now? Nothing but doctors and
lawyers. And that's going over really well.

Post by Evolution
I also think term limits should be imposed on supreme

Well, you guys did vote an action star into the governor's
mansion. :) I don't recall, but did he have any other political
experiences prior to his run for governor?
--CT

Nope, and I didn't vote for him. And I don't understand why people
re-elected him after his first action was to dismiss Gray Davis' lawsuit
against Enron for ripping off 12 billion from California, and steal
money from our schools, and spending 25 million of our taxpayer dollars
on a failed special election to grab more power.

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Jett K

2009-08-04 21:26:53 UTC

I am all for the public option. My private option, which has in the
past been very good (although never an insignificant chunk of our
paychecks), is becoming quite burdensome. Our healthcare insurance is
significantly reducing our take home pay, and could, at some point,
stand to significantly reduce our home ownership. It could, in fact,
result in our losing our home if both of should become very ill.
Something we have paid into all of our lives (and will have taken tens
of thousands of dollars from us over our lives), health insurance, has
now become a threat to us.

Our health care is now rationed--I couldn't see my primary care when I
got sick last spring--he was too busy. When I called, I was told the
doctor could see me in 2-1/2 weeks. (I had pneumonia.) It takes
between 6 weeks to 4 months to see a specialist. This is after
pouring hundreds of dollars into private health insurance a month.
Want to see the doctor of your choice? Good luck. Not accepting new
patients.

A public option could not possibly hurt. It can only make private
insurance more competitive and better. But, I think private insurers
are quaking in their boots and sending out as many false messages as
they can so they can continue the downward spiral of shoddier and
shoddier coverage at an ever increasing price so they can suck off
more dollars than ever.

"The caricature of 'socialized medicine' is used by corporate
interests to confuse Americans and maintain their bottom lines instead
of patients' health."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03,0,538126.story

I received socialized medicine from the time I was born to the age of
24. It was excellent care. Whenever we were sick, there was always
someone to see us, almost always on the same day. It didn't cost us
anything. My father's take home pay was never reduced by a dime for
health care. My father was career military, and we were taken care of
by the US government. So, I don't believe the bullshit that the US
government is something to fear in the field of health care--unless
you are a private insurer. I know from experience that the US
government did a fine job with my father and every single one of his
dependents--at no cost to our family. Why shouldn't the US government
be allowed to extend this privilege to every American? It would be a
blessing to everyone but those who live off sucking on the tit of
private insurance.

--Jett

Evolution

2009-08-04 23:05:19 UTC

Post by Jett K
I am all for the public option. My private option, which has in the
past been very good (although never an insignificant chunk of our
paychecks), is becoming quite burdensome. Our healthcare insurance is
significantly reducing our take home pay, and could, at some point,
stand to significantly reduce our home ownership. It could, in fact,
result in our losing our home if both of should become very ill.
Something we have paid into all of our lives (and will have taken tens
of thousands of dollars from us over our lives), health insurance, has
now become a threat to us.
Our health care is now rationed--I couldn't see my primary care when I
got sick last spring--he was too busy. When I called, I was told the
doctor could see me in 2-1/2 weeks. (I had pneumonia.) It takes
between 6 weeks to 4 months to see a specialist. This is after
pouring hundreds of dollars into private health insurance a month.
Want to see the doctor of your choice? Good luck. Not accepting new
patients.
A public option could not possibly hurt. It can only make private
insurance more competitive and better. But, I think private insurers
are quaking in their boots and sending out as many false messages as
they can so they can continue the downward spiral of shoddier and
shoddier coverage at an ever increasing price so they can suck off
more dollars than ever.
"The caricature of 'socialized medicine' is used by corporate
interests to confuse Americans and maintain their bottom lines instead
of patients' health."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03,0,538126.story
I received socialized medicine from the time I was born to the age of
24. It was excellent care. Whenever we were sick, there was always
someone to see us, almost always on the same day. It didn't cost us
anything. My father's take home pay was never reduced by a dime for
health care. My father was career military, and we were taken care of
by the US government. So, I don't believe the bullshit that the US
government is something to fear in the field of health care--unless
you are a private insurer. I know from experience that the US
government did a fine job with my father and every single one of his
dependents--at no cost to our family. Why shouldn't the US government
be allowed to extend this privilege to every American? It would be a
blessing to everyone but those who live off sucking on the tit of
private insurance.
--Jett

When I lived in Scotland, I paid less taxes than in the US AND it
included health care. Our empire-building and huge Pentagon budget are
more of a threat than socialized medicine is.

The insurance companies and their republican puppets are telling lies
while taking advantage of government health care themselves. The Blue
Dog Dems need to show leadership in educating their conservative
constituency, rather than selling out.

--
Laurie

http://lauriehester.blogspot.com/

Shaun

2009-08-17 14:47:52 UTC